To Kill a Bloodthirster

[Arguleon Veq]

Well, as we all know Bloodthirsters are one of the scariest things in the game. Surely they aren't invincible though?

So this thread is for ideas and combos that work for killing the things. Mainly looking at characters etc that can do it but other combos too, bear in mind that this thing has a 20'' charge range and can see OVER most of your units to charge those 'hidden' units lurking behind your lines.

One thing that can beat a Thirster in single combat is the Great Unclean one. Kitted out withthe Balesword. The Unclean One will never really get the chance to fight a Thirster if the Khorne player doesn't want it to though.

A Vampire Lord with the Hatred Bloodline, and the power that makes them take a modded Ld test or you re-roll wounds, with Fly and the Frostblade can also take down the Monster of Khorne. IIRC it has about a 60% chance of sucess. Fly allows you to actually catch the thing. Of course, this doesn't work if the enemy takes Obsidian Armour.

Thogrimm can do it, but would never be in combat with it and again, if Obsidian Armour is taken, the Thirster wins again.

I do quite like the idea of a Wood Elf Alter Lord [for a chance for the charge] with any combo of Nestlings, Stone of Re-Birth, Gwthercs Horn, Spirit Sword, Helm of the Hunt. This should at the very least hold it for a turn and has a chance of doing serious damage. Especially if you have a Wraithstone Battle Standard nearby. This will allow you to stick a unit of Wild Riders in its rear next turn and still limit its kills be challenging with the Lord.

Theres of course the obvious stuff like Cannons.

[Pettsy]

Warning: I have neither fought nor know the stats of a Bloodthirster.

My plans to defeat the dreaded Bloodthirster would involve getting it involved in a challenge with the following Prince set-up which so far has provided extremely durable.

Prince
with hand weapon, dragon armour, golden shield, vambraces of defence, talisman of loec and a barded steed.

This gives the Prince a 2+ rerollable save, a 4+ ward save, allows all hits, wounds and saves to be rerolled for a single turn. Also the BT has to reroll all successful hits.

Throw him with a unit of Dragon Princes. Challenge it to a duel. Get a unit into it's flank and watch it die to combat resolution.

~Pettsy~

P.S If this in any way violates GW policy then feel free to edit this post.

[Deraj]

Well, Brettonians have something that allows them to killing blow a monstrous creature, I've always hated that against my giants and Treemen, so I suspect it could bother a bloodthirster.

[smurf]

The Changeling

most people i play against interpret the changeling's rules as 'You have my stats, and i have yours', which while i think to be wrong, if they're going to give me an advantage and not be convinced i'm right, i plan to accept it.

I would quite like to try that battle, just to see if i can convice the bloodthirster to charge without realising the changeling is there... Unfortunately thats the only way i can see to make the fight happen

[Arguleon Veq]

I think most people that run a Thirster would avoid Horror units like the plague, just in case that little guy is in there. Plus its not a unit he can break and so he would just get tar-pitted, especially if they have the 4+ Ward.

It may work against a less experienced player if you play with closed lists. We play with open lists here so stuff like that never works.

[Red dog]

Here are the things that can take down BT ->

- Van'Horse'Men Captain Missile (Well duuuh The horror of horrors, killer of titans, etc.)
- Bretonian Pegasus Missile (killblow Large Targets with about 3-4 attacks)
- Treemen with netlings (hit on 6s)
- VC lord with Frostblade on Zombie dragon (-1 to hit) (kills outright)
- Stardragon if charging, can put up a good fight.
- New Black dragon with hatred can be probably be just as good as Stardragon.
- Woodelf Highborn on dragon with netlings and 3+ ward (much like treeman, but flys)
- Oldblood with Tzunki's revered blade (don't see much of those lately) S6, no armor allowed and MotOO. He can still be armored to the teeth to hold the attacks.
- Dwarf lord with rune of ridiculousness (wounds everyone on 2+ and uses the new Strength to modify armor) and other crap.
- Ogre lord with siege breaker or tenderizer and other fun things.
- Grimgore Ironhide (ASF 7 S7 attacks at WS9(or 8) and hatred) or maybe orc warboss with invert ward, toughness armor and cheap blade to get lasting battle.
- Cannons and all that still hurt him a lot even though ward helps.

I am sure there is more that can really hurt him or at least put on a good fight, but I just gave few examples. ^_^

Further more, BTs probably takes Dark Insanity. There is NO need for the armor. He is night unkillable as it is and he WILL be charging, nothing bar Keeper can ASF him out of the way. With 2D6+2 (right?) attacks with hatred he can EAT units by himself and terror bomb everything around him.

P.S. I feel like that every time they release another ubber flying monsters they try to nerf armies with no cannons lol ^_^ J/k

Walk Tall everyone!!!!!

[grunt90]

I don't think I want to fight a bloodthirster with beasts >.<

[Morglum]

I'm not sure how well this works against the daemons bloodthirster, but it sure worked against the hordes of chaos one. HARRY THE HAMMER!!! He is awesome against all daemons and undead, so i suppose he'll still work.

[Kaffl]

How about the new Delf ridiculousness of a Ward Save that passes if you roll below your assailant's strength? You know, the one that Cannonballs and other str 7+ meanies have no way of touching? I think that might kill a Bloodthirster due to sheer brokenness. At least when it comes to herohammer it's broken.

[Arguleon Veq]

He still loses, it just takes the Thirster 3 turns to kill him.

Harry the Hammer just doesn't really have the defense to beat the Thirster.

[Kaffl]

Harry doesn't need the defense. He runs up and goes "Killing Blow!" and then the fight's over. We ran dice-offs with Harry, and he single-handedly took out 2 Star Dragons, including lord choices on top, simultaneously. Granted this was with challenges, but even so.

No, no, Harry wouldn't break a sweat. Nor would Skulltaker in most situations, as he has almost the same ability, albeit nerfed a bit.

[Arguleon Veq]

Both of those don't beat the Thirster though as the Thirster flies and so gets the charge and strikes first. Killing either before they can even strike back.

[Kaffl]

Unless the Bloodthirster was tarpitted in a unit of nurgle anythings, which both Chaos Mortals and Chaos Daemons conveniently have! Really any type of Daemon would work as Daemons are unbreakable in effect, and mortals would have to hope they don't run off.

The Bloodthirster really isn't as bad as all that.

I know what could really beat a Bloodthirster though, thinking about it now... How about another Bloodthirster!

[grunt90]

Hmm, I'm trying to think what could kill a blood thirster with beasts, and I think I would be utterly screwed >.<

[Arguleon Veq]

Pretty much unless you get REALLY lucky with a Giant [like Yell and Bawl and then the Thirster failing his test on a 12, haha].

Charging Dragon Ogres [say 4], with Great Weapons and the General and Battle Standard nearby could do it.

Tie the Thirster up.

Hit him with the Dragon Ogres doing 3 wounds. You lose a Dragon Ogre. You lose combat by 1 if you take into consideration you outnumber him, you wont autobreak and with Ld9 and a Re-Roll, so a Re-Rolled 8 you should hold. Then he kills another Ogre, and you do 2 Wounds to finish him off.

I always send my Dragon Ogres at big gribblies. They are fond of killing Carnasaurs and Black Coaches.