Tilted deployment

[Deraj]

So... I was watching history channel or something, and saw Alexander the great's tactic of starting battles with his army angled. This caused me to wonder why most people I see set out their army straight. I then remembered Simcon, where one of the set ups were angled. I remembered it fondly, as it helped my movement, so I started thinking on it, especially with my Sethayla (~mounted) list. i came up with this:

G=glade rider
H=warhawk rider
W=wardancer
E= eternal guard
D= dryad
T= treeman

The idea is generally anvils with teeth between them, the anvils being the treeman and the eternals, and the teeth being wardancers and dryads. There will then be an arm, close to a board edge to be used to reach around. A set up is something like this:




HHH
-----GGGGG-GGGGG-EEEEEEE----T
GGGGG--------------------WW-DDD

Then I would just move the entire army with the Treeman as the pivot point, ending up with that whole army along the left board edge (or I could set it up mirrored, then it would be the right side.) This could be acheived on the very first turn, with the speed the army can move at. After that I would do something of a nova, with the Glade riders trying to get behind or beside the army, along with the warhawks. The anvils and teeth would move in toward the enemy, as charging is their strong point, and stagnation kills this army. I hope to post a list or two to go with it later.

As for HQs, at 2000, an alter lord with netlings, the bow of multishot (a technical term ), and starfire arrows or the arcane bodkin would run to the right of the treeman, as long as (and this goes for any list) a hero with a warbanner and blight of terrors running with the eternals, and also in any list, 2 lvl 2 spellsingers, running near the 'teeth' as supplements.

Another thing I can't decide is 19, 20, or 24 eternal guardians. I know the units of glade riders will be 5 and the wardancers and dryads will be in 8s. I may also run some waywatchers in the opposite corner of the board.

[Arguleon Veq]

The general plan of action, and your unit choices to implement it are both perfectly viable. It should work well.

Not sure on t he whole tilted thing though, you can achieve this by moving straight up, your essentially playing a refused flank. By titlting, all you are doing is exposing your flanks of your anvils up to the enemy a little more than is needed.

I think it is the effective unit choices that spoil the whole tilted idea to be honest. If your units that will be flanking and getting up in the enemy lines were infantry blocks, then it would make more sense to tilt the line, because then when the enemy engages your anvil, they will expose their flanks more.

Unless im just wrong and your not planning on starting your line tilted and are just using that as the basis for your plan?

[Deraj]

Ever hear the saying 'no plan survives contact with the enemy'? That's a big thing here, the tilt is mainly saying that my army will move forward staggered, so that I can get as many flanks in as possible, so its bound to tilt here and there.

Oct 28, 2009 15:16:40 GMT -5 Arguleon Veq said:

Not sure on t he whole tilted thing though, you can achieve this by moving straight up, your essentially playing a refused flank. By titlting, all you are doing is exposing your flanks of your anvils up to the enemy a little more than is needed.

I think it is the effective unit choices that spoil the whole tilted idea to be honest. If your units that will be flanking and getting up in the enemy lines were infantry blocks, then it would make more sense to tilt the line, because then when the enemy engages your anvil, they will expose their flanks more.

Unless im just wrong and your not planning on starting your line tilted and are just using that as the basis for your plan?

The line will start either tilted if the enemy chooses to stay toward the other side, or straight if they're nearer to me. The tooth and anvil bit would move forward straight, while the 'arm' of glade riders and warhawks should form something of a curved circle.

[Deraj]

Running with this idea, Im thinking of writing a 2250 list for a christmas tourney, but the problem is, my opponents run things like pure slaanesh warriors of chaos (a guy who won 4 GT is the last 2 years...), vampires (the guy who won the last tourney I played in in that area, he happened to brutally rape my list), khorne warriors, and delves (both of whom are fun players.)

This means most of my psychology cheats are out, most of my softer hitting units are screwed, and glade guard are definately out. Their lists will be powergamey, without being intentionally so. Another thing that seems to be big there is running large numbers of troops, rather than smaller elite armies. This makes most of my glade rider tactics useless... I'm going to need to hit hard, and I'm not sure how I want to do it.

[Arguleon Veq]

Well Warrior Heavy Chaos armies should be very easy for you to march block and run rings around as you pepper them with missile fire. I think you need better magic defence if your taking them to a tourney though as that is how Chaos will deal with you.

Your list should be ok against Dark Elves and Vamps comes down to magic defence again.

What is in your current 2250 List?