2250 points - Sacred Host of Tzunki

[Walrus Man]

My lists always seem to suffer from two things, having too few big infantry blocks and being outflanked by opponents with more units, and being blown away in the magic phase. This list has a few changes to my usual one in an attempt to alleviate these problems, mostly in the form of a block of spear armed saurus and an Engine of the Gods (Magical lazer beams for the win!).

LORD - Kai Tza, He Who Was Lost To The Oceans
Old Blood: carnosaur, light armour, shield, blade of revered tzunki, glyph necklace.
466 points.

HERO
Scar Veteran: great weapon, shield, hide of the cold ones.
144 points.

HERO - Xhantupec
Skink Shaman: level 2, dispel scroll, diadem of power, Ancient Stegadon with engine of the gods.
440 points.

HERO
Scar Veteran: light armour, shield, war drum of xahutec.
123 points.

CORE
15 saurus warriors: musician, standard bearer, spawning champion.
195 points.

CORE
20 saurus warriors: musician, standard bearer, spawning champion.
250 points.

CORE
18 saurus warriors: spears, standard bearer, musician, spawning champion.
246 points.

CORE
10 skink skirmishers.
70 points.

CORE
14 skinks.
70 points.

SPECIAL
3 terradon riders.
90 points.

RARE
2 salamanders.
150 points.

TOTAL: 2244 points.

I'm actually a bit concerned about this list being too "cookie cutter", to much like the generic build that any half decent lizard player would run...

While i'm here, I have a question about the Engine of the Gods: when and if the skink priest rider dies, how does the Engine function? I'm assuming it can't use any of its powers any more, but if someone could confirm that for me it would be greatly appreciated.

Walrus

[Arguleon Veq]

Yep, once the Priest is dead the Engine cant do anything.

The list looks fine to me.

I would make both those Hand Wep + Shield Sauros 17 strong [so 18 with characters].

Make both Skink units 12 strong, just to even things out.

I would also be tempted to split the Salamanders. I actually think they would work better as Razors if you want to stop yourself getting flanked but Sallies are still a good unit. By splitting them though you can put one on either flank.

The Engine should alleviate most of your problems, it can give a unit a ward save to stop you getting blasted, it adds to your magic defense and with Terror Causing and Burning Alignment it can see off light flankers. Alignment can also support your units whilst they are in combat and it makes a great flanker itself.

[Walrus Man]

Thanks for that Veq, but i gotta ask, whats so good about a unit of 18 saurus as opposed to say, 20? My units are the numbers they are mostly because I have one of 15 and one of 20 painted and converted differently into the two distinct units, but I'd probably change 'em if there was a good enough reason.

[Arguleon Veq]

With 18, you are expanding your frontage, which means more attacks and also making the unit take 2 deaths before it loses a rank bonus, rather than 1. Doubling the durability of that point of combat res.

It takes on average 1 D6 HITS S4 Magic Missile to 1 Sauros. So 1 goes off and you lose your rank bonus.

The extra 2 attacks you will get will often get you 1 kill, which will make up for the extra rank that 20 strong unit would have. Although it more than makes up for it when you consider you wont even get that point of rank bonus after 1 death.

15/20 strong units are ok, but 18 is optimum. More so with Spears but its still better than 15/20 even when they come with Hand Weps + Shields.

Its just a case of fine tuning really.

[Rezzy]

Is 2250 points quite a standard sized force in Fantasy then?

[Arguleon Veq]

It seems to be very popular in the US and is gaining more steam here now.

I still 2000 is the most used here because of the UK GT but more and more smaller tournies are now using 2250.

I think the reasoning is that you can go character heavy but still have a decent amount of models on the table as you can afford an extra unit or two, to make for a more tactical game.

IMO thats rubbish. I think it just lets you have your cake and eat it. It takes out the whole streamlining process of your list, it took me ages to finalise my Warriors because I had to shave points here and there to try to squeeze it all in, it also makes you have to choose between one of the two. Numbers or character power. At 2250 you can pretty much just have what you want.

I think its ok for the odd game but I mostly stick to 2000, I think it adds more of a competative edge by making you streamline your list.

2250 I prefer for more friendly/fun games.

[Plus I probably dont like it because it means more models to paint! lol]

[Walrus Man]

Aug 26, 2009 9:36:38 GMT -5 Rezzy said:

Is 2250 points quite a standard sized force in Fantasy then?

Yup, its also the standard tournement size here in Aus.

[Deraj]

Really? You guys are lucky, our standard is 1999...

[Walrus Man]

What, no lord choices? Thats harsh.