SimCon 2009

[Deraj]

First off, Veq, I accidentally hit "Advanced moderation" or something of the type on this board and I don't know what it does..... nothing changed for me, but ...... forewarned?


Anyway: Simcon '09. A gaming convention in upper New York, run by (And hopefully without playing) a 2 time GT Baltimore winner, as well as the winner of Best General, Best painted army, and Best sportsmanship, as well as a man who.... won 3rd place in a GT with Ogres. On Saturday I will be be playing in this with my 1900 point wood elf list, which may be edited to remove some dryads and wardancers, with the gain of one more unit of 19-20 Eternals.

But what is interesting about this? Well, I will not be representing The Border Princes alone. Alongside me will be the best beastmen player I know (Like saying the smartest rock....) as well as the best Brettonian player I know. They are the two best players in the middle of nowhere where I am from, but I also have high hopes for them at SimCom. The beast player? Our very own chaos mod; Grunt90. And the Brettonian player is.... The Member.

Now you may be asking why I am posting this here. I.... am bringing my camera. Now since I do not play 40k anymore, Sunday, the 40k day may even see me playing a slow game so I may make a decent bat rep for you fine folks.

So for now peace out and peace off

[Arguleon Veq]

Good luck guys, hope you all get high finishes!

How many people are expected to attend?

[grunt90]

This should kick ass, I just got to get my shiz together and make a few lists...

[Deraj]

Well, anyone who read what had been here, I lied. Man I love Boldo....


There are to be at least 10 people, and man, things look screwy. I do not know any of the players who will be playing... unless Boldo is playing in which case.... oh crap. I'm afraid that some of his proteges will certainly play though, so this is a different league than is played up where I'm from...

Rules are here.

[Deraj]

And we have a checklist!

start with 10pts
+2 if playing Ogres, Dwarf, Beastmen, Bretonian, Skavan, Orc and Goblin, Chaos Dwarf,
+1 if playing Tomb King, Wood Elf, empire or High elf, chaos Warriors
-1 for each character after the first 3 with assassins and any named champions counting as characters.
-1 for special character Hero
-2 for special character Lord
-1 for each unit allowed a standard without one after the first
-1 for each flying unit\monster which could be of US 5 or greater
-1 for each magic banner
-1 for each power dice over 8 or dispel dice over 5 which ever is greater
-1 for each model which causes terror
-1 for every 20 shooting strength over 90
-1 for every elite unit without a larger non elite unit of similiar type
-1 for every required core unit not 2 times minimum size
-1 for each duplicte magic item, special unit or rare unit



Shooting strength is the calculated by multiplying the strength of a missile by the number of users of that weapon by the number of shots for each unit and then adding up the totals for all the units. For example an Empire army with 9 archers, 10 handgunners, and 6
pistoliers would have a strength of 9x3
(archers)+10x4(handgunners)+6x4x2(pistoliers) or 115
For warmachines a canon counts as the strength of the cannon, anything that fires like a stone thrower counts as the strength of the shot times the inches of the template. Anything that uses a flame template that rolls for distances counts as strength of the shot times 3, if it places the template then it is strength times 5. Things that roll random number of shots always assume 4 was rolled for the number of shots and then muliplies this by the strength of the shots.

For all questions only take the penalty if you have the full additional points.

An elite unit is any unit of infanty, cavalry, or missile troops with better
stats than another unit of the same type in the army with similiar equipment.
For example waywatchers are elite in the wood elf list as they have similiar
equipment to glade guard, but wardancers are not elite as there is no other
unit in the army with similiar equipment.

Required core units are only 3 for a 2000pt aremy and 2 for a a 1-1999pt army. So the other units can be any size.

Vampire count flying units which could become larger due to invocation and summons creatures of the night also count here regardless of their starting size.

There will be a few magic item minus and I need a whole lsit of elite. I think the rule will be there are 4 types of units infantry with hand weapons, cavalry, skirmishers, and shooters. Each elite must be supported by a seperate unit of the same type.

After some consideration I decided that with warmachine thrown into to the shooting number then should be higher.

As for the army bonuses I dislike them but some army books are just worse than others. As this is suppose to make armies fairer then this needs to be taken into account. As Ulyses noticed at Baltimore even a fair dark elf army is a bit broken.

Boldo

We also have this comp scorer.

[Deraj]

And (Yeah, triple post, but 3 seperate entities....) I have found one of the Simcon armies that I may face, that you may use reference to what sort we will play.

Exalted-170pts
MoK
Biting Blade
Enchanted Shield
Favour of the Gods
Bloodcurdling Roar

Exalted-195pts
MoK
BSB
Armour of Zhrakk
Shield
Collar of Khorne

Exalted-150pts
MoK
Shield
Fury of the Blood God

15 Warriors-325pts
Full Command
MoK
Shields
Warbanner

15 Warriors-300pts
Full Command
MoK
Shields

15 warriors-300pts
Full Command
MoK
Shields

5 warhounds-30pts

Chariot-150pts
MoK

5 Knights of Chaos-280pts
Full Command
MoK

-1900pts

Comp at 7
-2 (2 core not at 2x min size)
-1 Magic Banner

[Morglum]

Wait a moment, this dosen't make sense, you lose 2 pts for having a spec character lord, although you can't even take one!?!?!?!?

Other then that, good luck people!

[Deraj]

These are the finalized comp rules, and the Brettonian player probably will not come due to family commitmant and... well, the comp scoring.

I really hate comp scoring, because it says "Play the army my way or you're screwed" to which I really wish to reply that if I wanted to play a different army, I would, but Wood Elves are my army and if you don't like it, too bad, but I can't. It's only a max of 22 points, but it still bothers me.

Also, anyone with the Wood Elf army book, flip to the core section and read the glade guard entry. Tell me what is useful about the scouts?

[Deraj]

So much double posting, but you know, it just seems right. Veq, if you would like me to stop, just ask.

At the tournament scoring will work as such: battle will be 60, comp will be doubled, painting will be 30pts, and sportsmanship 30.

I also got this pm from Boldo:

there is a painting score and I will judge the whole army not just a part so the more painted the better but nothing needs to be painted to play and there is a best general award if enough people show up which does not include painting at all.

Boldo

So that said, I would like to point you to the painting board for this little bit.

[Arguleon Veq]

Dont worry about the double posts, it works in threads like this to divide the info.

It does seem an overly complicated system though, but I guess it gives every army a fighting chance.

[Deraj]

Ok, thanks. And now, at the bottom of this is my almsot finalized list.