Cammerz
Militia
Not your fish, Oedipuss' fish!
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Post by Cammerz on Nov 17, 2008 12:48:58 GMT -5
OK, I've decided to replicate my big ol' yellow book of lists online so people over here can comment and critisize Most army lists are 2000pters and most have been changed multiple times but I am typing up the latest versions, anyway, on with the list
warlord, additional hand weapon, heavy armour, shield, the gouger, twisted crown of the horned rat (goes with stormvermin and chieftain)
2x 25 clanrats with spears, full command, ratling gun
18 stormvermin with shields, full command
12 gutter runners with slings and poisoned hand weapons, black skaven
5 rat ogre packs
assassin, blade of black fury, smoke bombs (goes with the gutter runners to form the 13 shadows)
chieftain, battle standard, banner of the swarm, heavy armour (goes with stormvermin and warlord)
10 poisoned wind globadiers
5 jezzails
warp-lightning cannon
2x 20 clanrat slaves
so tell me what you think, as with most lists in my book I am quite happy with it but any majorly important changes will be considered
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Post by Arguleon Veq on Nov 18, 2008 7:55:33 GMT -5
The core of the list is ok but I think you really need to break some units down;
Split that Gutter Runners unit in 2.
Split the Globadiers in 2.
Id drop the Rat Ogres to 4 models, you will only fit 4 in combat most of the time anyway.
The Banner of the Swarm is wasted on the Stormvermin as they probably wont outnumber anyway. Put him with a unit of Clanrats were he will be more useful, plus he may help them to actually win a fight. Then just get an extra Storm Vermin to put that unit back up to 20.
Your Warlord cant use his additional hand weapon if he is using the Gouger. The Twisted Crown is over priced, the Warpstone Amulet does the same for half the price, you dont risk not getting it against flaming attacks then just for the minimal risk of him dying at the end of the game. With the points saved on that you could give him Band of Power. To be honest though I prefer the the Blade of Black Fury with Band of Power. You could give him the Cautious Shield for those extra 25 points.
Give the Stormvermin the Banner of Hatred [you will have points from dropping a Rat Ogre]. That will seriously help them win combats and make your Warlord more dangerous.
Hope that helps.
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Cammerz
Militia
Not your fish, Oedipuss' fish!
Posts: 21
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Post by Cammerz on Nov 18, 2008 13:11:29 GMT -5
Can you please explain why you want me to split the units of gutter runners and globadiers
dropping the 1 rat ogre sounds good because that saves me buying another box just for 1 of them
I will consider changing the weaponry of my warlord
I see your point about the stormvermin banner so I will swap them
I am not sure about the warp-lightning cannon, is there anything that would work better than this due to the high chance of either rolling too low or misfiring
if anyone has any other ideas I would be glad to hear them
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Post by Arguleon Veq on Nov 18, 2008 15:40:49 GMT -5
By splitting them it costs you nothing as you can always run them next to each other anyway.
What it allows for though, is if they get charged and destroyed, you only lose half of them. It allows you to go after more targets. Plus you will only ever fit about 6 in combat against most unit frontages, less if you are getting the desired flank/rear charge. So all those extra models are wasted as you probably still wont outnumber the enemy and you dont get a rank bonus as they are skirmishers.
For the Globadiers again it stops you losing the whole unit if they get charged or you fail a panic/terror test and it stops you having to waste a lot of shots on a weakened unit of 2 Knights or something. This way you can finish them with one unit whilst your other unit starts work on the next target.
I quite like the Warp Lightning Cannon. With those Jezzails and the pair of Rattling Guns it gives your army a nice bit of Fire-Power that can make the enemy come to you if you decide you want them to. It saves having to go and get stuck in with Chaos Warriors early in the game etc.
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