First Fantasy list. 2000 Welf

[JD]

Okay, so I'm starting Wood Elves as my first Fantasy army. I'll put up a project log soon.

But I want some criticism on this list. This is going to be made with what i currently own (i.e. the heros) + a Battalion + a unit of wardancers and waywatcher... To begin with the tree kin will be made out of stick or something.

Heroes
Highborn Lord - General
-Light Armor
-Great Weapon
-Bow of Loren
-Arcane Bodkins
214pts

Waywatcher Noble
-Hail of Doom arrow
-Brairsheath
153pts

Spellsinger
-Level 2
-Ranu’s Heartstone
-Lamentation of Despairs
170pts

Spellsinger
-Level 2
-Dispel Scroll
-Divination Orb
175pts

Core
12x Dryads
-Branch Nymph
166pts

14x Glade Guard
-Lord’s Bowman
-Standard Bearer
-Musician
192pts

10x Glade Guard Scouts
-Lord’s Bowman
-Musician
182pts

8x Glade Riders
-Horse Master
-Musician
210pts

Special
6x Wardancers
-Musician
-Bladesinger
129pts

4x Treekin
-Elder
280pts

Rare
5x Waywatchers
-Shadow Sentinel
128pts


TOTAL: 1999

[Arguleon Veq]

I would lose all commands in that army besides the Branch Nymph and Musicians.

You don't really need 12 Dryads. You will usually only ever get 7 into combat. 10 Is more than enough, I prefer 8.

I'm not sure on the Scouts either, I dont really think they are worth it. They are skirmishers that can flee though, which is rare in the Wood Elf army. I'd make that a small unit if you really want them and then just take 2 units of 10 regular Glade Guard.

You will rarely get much magic off with those 2 Mages and you are payinga lot of points for them. Perhaps consider just making them defensive instead. You could even go for a Branchwraith with Radiants and Lvl1 for 2 extra Dispell dice and just 1 mage with 2 scrolls and Lvl1.

I think Waywatcher Nobles are pretty useless, but they are cool. Still, I'd rather make him an Alter Noble.

[Deraj]

I like waywatcher kindreds too, they're a powerful HQ, and Veq is right too though, so is an alter kindred. Being able to scout that Hail of Doom in may be too much of a temptation, it generally is for me.

If you're planning on buying any other units, I'd go for Eternal Guard, they're very good, especially for the list you're running.

Also, in case you don't know yet, Spellsingers are very weak, I'd at least throw the rest of you're wardancers into the list.

[JD]

Well it's changed now. I've done some thinking on units and structure, and by the fact that treekin are harder to make than tree men i thought I give the treeman a whirl. Since they are so feared.

Heroes
Highborn Lord - General
-Light Armor
-Great Weapon
-Bow of Loren
-Arcane Bodkins
214pts

Waywatcher Noble
-Hail of Doom arrow
-Brairsheath
153pts

Wardancer Noble
-Blades of Loec
-Gwytherc’s Horn
-Light armor
127pts

Spellsinger
-Level 2
-Dispel Scroll
-Divination Orb
175pts

Core
12x Dryads
-Branch Nymph
166pts

10x Glade Guard
-Musician
126pts

10x Glade Guard
-Musician
126pts

5x Glade Guard Scouts
-Musician
91pts

8x Glade Riders
-Musician
198pts

Special
9x Wardancers
-Musician
-Bladesinger
183pts

Rare
6x Waywatchers
-Shadow Sentinel
152pts

Treeman
285pts

TOTAL: 1999

[Deraj]

Personally I would drop some Dryads and instead have a unit of 6 wardancers with a bladesinger and musician and a unit of 5 with a musician for the noble to run with.

[Arguleon Veq]

Well, you will want at least 2 Scrolls if you are only running 1 Mage and there will be no point at all in him being Lvl2.

You are better off with 2 smaller units of Dancers.

There is no real reason for the Horn on that Wardancer Noble, he is already ITP as is any Wardancer.

Again cut the Dryad unit size. Should be a decent list with a few ammendments.

[JD]

Heroes
Alter Kindred Highborn Lord
-Great Weapon
-Bow of Loren
-Arcane Bodkins
-Brairsheath
261pts

Noble - General - Joins Eternal Guard
-Spear of Twilight
-Gwythrec's Horn
120pts

Way Watcher Noble
-Hail of Doom Arrow
145pts

Spell Singer
-Dispel Scroll
-Ranu's Heartstone
135pts

Core
10x Dryads
-Branch Nymph
122pts

10x Glade Guard
-Musician
-Lord’s Bowman
132pts

10x Glade Guard
-Musician
126pts

5x Glade Riders
-Musician
129pts

15x Eternal Guard
-Musician
-Standard Bearer
-Faoghir – The Banner of Dwindling
-Guardian
260pts

Special
6x War Dancers
-Musician
-Bladesinger
129pts

Rare
7x Way Watchers
-Shadow Sentinel
156pts

Treeman
285pts

TOTAL: 2000


Totally new list. What do you think?

[Arguleon Veq]

It seems ok to me, I would be tempted to drop some of those Champions though on the Bows.

I'd also consider Wild Rathers rather than Glade Riders. What role do you intend for them? rank breakers by charging flanks? or baiters/fleeing? If its the former, than take Wild Riders instead.

[JD]

The riders are the bait for my treeman.

The Musicians I was told were a must, just to give them a chance. The lords bowman was to fill u the extra 6 points.

[Arguleon Veq]

Yeah, the Musicians are vital. Fair enough then on the Riders. The list is nicely balanced.

[Deraj]

Also, think money and availability for now, he just started welfs, so he doesn't yet have all of the units and such. Personally, I think glade guard are the best unit in existance, after that, Glade Riders seem almost useless, other than for bait. Their light cavalry rules make them awesome for the task.

[JD]

Very much so.

I have the Battalion on order, just bought my treeman, Have 6 waywatchers on order, and I'm buying 2 wardancers + 3 Glade riders + the 15 eternal guard from a friend.

After that, well my wargaming collecting, will have to stop as i now have a few little debts and one big one to pay off.

[Deraj]

Nice. I'm sure that most people would let you proxy EG as wardancers though, if you ask nicely. College debts yet?