Regiments of Reknown(Knights of Mousillon, pg 1)

[Deraj]

Well, I'm not sure if anyone else has made their own, but looking at Veq's Mousillon thread, I decided to make a unit of Knights, loosely based on Grail Knights.

The Ravenlord of Mousillon and his Iron Templars may be taken at a starting cost of 300 points for The Ravenlord, The Banner of Shadows, and the Trumpeter of the Fallen and 2 additional Templars with Brettonians, Empire, Dwarves, Wood Elves, Dogs of War armies and High Elves as a rare choice. You may add up to 7 more Templars for 40 points per model. The Templars must be used exactly as shown below.


___________________M WS BS S T W I A LD
Raven Lord__________5 5 0 4 3 2 3 3 9
Iron Templar_________5 5 0 4 3 1 3 2 9
Mousillon Warhorse____8 3 0 3 3 1 2 1 5

Special Rules:
(Heavy armor, shield, barded mount)
Hatred
Immune to Psychology

Trumpeter of the Fallen: When winded, this trumpet lets loose the howl of the ancient lords of Mousillon, who in their times had been great warriors. As long as the musician is alive, the Templars cause terror on the turn they charge.

Banner of Shadows: Shadows seem to dance around these massive knights, making them harder to hit. The Templars have a 5+ ward save.

Iron spiked barding: The Templars affix metal spikes to the head plates and shin plates of their horses armor, granting the horses +1 S on the turn they charge.

*Note: The Ravenlord does not count as a hero, he is just a named unit champion (hence the only stat change being +1 attack)

C&C welcome.

The Ravenlord of Mousillon is said to be a descendant of the the ancient dukes of Mousillon, men who were often reknowned for their prowess in battle, but were cursed to fall into pits of corruption, hatred, and jealousy. The Ravenlord rides forth to regain the honour of his lands, and to regain the blessing of the lady. He does so with the purest intentions and hopes that she will have the power to lift the curse from his ancestral home.

In keeping with the tradition of Mousillon, his armor, as well as the armor of th Templars is pure black, their sheilds bearing a crimson raven clutching a silver chalice in its claws.

[Arguleon Veq]

I like the idea and the fluff, they are too powerful for their points cost though, I would have the horn making them cause fear on the turn that they charge and I would drop their attacks down to 1 each with 3 still for the hero.

[Deraj]

Do you have the Brettonian Army Book? I dropped many of their stats, most of their abilities are just their blessings in disguise, and I removed one of their more interesting attributes to give them what I did. That many regular grail knights with musician and standard would be around 220 or so.

Now barring my reasoning, I would be ok with taking them up to 300 for the unit and 45 per extra model.

Also, should I just give them hatred and Immune to psychology (which grail knights have) rather than frenzy?

[Arguleon Veq]

I didnt know they were frenzied. Still, Grail Knights are T3 with a 2+ Save and 6+ Ward. They will be punished by things like Repeater Crossbows and Handguns. These guys just wont with T4 and the 5+ Ward all the time.

Plus they are getting an extra WS4 S4 attack.

Their lack of initiative isnt really a problem with their armour save and charge range.

Make the Horse M8 though, you dont want knights that can only charge 12'' with barding.

I'd still drop the T to 3 and attacks to 1 so they get 2 with Frenzy though.

ItP and Hatred is nice though.

The starting cost should be 300 though I reckon. As is now, you are pretty much getting that hero for 20 points.

[Deraj]

The Ravenlord of Mousillon and his Iron Templars may be taken at a starting cost of 300 points for The Ravenlord, The Banner of Shadows, and the Trumpeter of the Fallen and 2 additional Templars with Brettonians, Empire, Dwarves, Wood Elves, Dogs of War armies and High Elves as a rare choice. You may add up to 7 more Templars for 45 points per model. The Templars must be used exactly as shown below.


___________________M WS BS S T W I A LD
Raven Lord__________5 5 0 4 3 2 3 3 9
Iron Templar_________5 5 0 4 3 1 3 2 9
Mousillon Warhorse____8 3 0 3 3 1 2 1 5

Special Rules:
(Heavy armor, shield, barded mount)
Hatred
Immune to Psychology
Lance Formation

Trumpeter of the Fallen: When winded, this trumpet lets loose the howl of the ancient lords of Mousillon, who in their times had been great warriors. As long as the musician is alive, the Templars cause terror on the turn they charge.

Banner of Shadows: Shadows seem to dance around these massive knights, making them harder to hit. The Templars have a 5+ ward save.

Iron spiked barding: The Templars affix metal spikes to the head plates and shin plates of their horses armor, granting the horses +1 S on the turn they charge.


The ward save is 5+ for regular Brettonians, as long as they are fighting S5 or higher. I just wanted to simplify that. Now they seem like some kind of cross between Grail Knights and Wild Riders....

[Arguleon Veq]

I still think its too powerful. I reckon to make that balanced now, you would just have to drop the Lance Formation on them. Say its to do with their martial pride and arrogance, each knight wishing to show he is the best and wanting to be first into the fight.

[Deraj]

How about just dropping those spears, then lowering the points, making them Grail Knights that arent saints and cause terror, then lowering the points back to 250?
And really, who cares about the horses, no one remembers their attacks

[Arguleon Veq]

Id just keep it as it is without the Lance Formation. I dont really know what you are trying to do with their Lances though, every Lance gives +2S on the charge.

[Deraj]

Oops... thought it was just +1, removed and now down to.... extremely expensive terror causing Grail Knights?

Its pretty much down to costing 60 points as opposed to 38 to add terror and hatred and remove living saint and any possibility of and upgrade from the book though. To remove Lance formation on top of that just seems so.... horrible. Its like charging twice as much for cutting a unit of Knights apart at this point.

[Arguleon Veq]

No its not, if you just remove the lance formation from the last version of them. You have;

45 Point Models as opposed to 38.
Hatred as opposed to magical attacks,
S4 steeds on the charge [who also get hatred],
Permanant 5+ Ward rather than sometimes 6+ sometimes 5+,
Lower Initiative for Terror on the charge.

Thats very different from Grail Knights and they are worth 45 points without the Lance Formation because Hatred on a model with 2S6 + 1S4 Attacks is amazing, as is the ability to cause Terror.

[Deraj]

Well, I was thinking of changing terror to fear, and the mounts don't get hatred, but I see what you're getting at. Unfortunately, 60 points a model seems a bit steep. (The 300 starting price)

[Arguleon Veq]

The mounts do get Hatred, they get whatever the Rider has. They also are nowhere near 60 points a model.

40 X 5 = 200
Command for Knights = 40
Magical Horn = At least 25, Empire pay 50 for something that does the same and only causes fear. So lets say 50.

Thats 290. So your getting a hero for 10 points.

So really if you think the hero is worth at least 75 you are paying 34 points a Knight for the initial ones you get.

[Deraj]

The first post has been modified to contain the current stats.